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【 Thank you for choosing the Golden Peacock, 5-Star Resort and Casino. You are currently registered as a WILDCARD in our system.
Due to unprecedented high demand we are temporarily unable to check you in to your reserved room. We apologize for the inconvenience. We have arranged for a temporary room while we work on processing your reservation as quickly as possible. We appreciate your understanding.
As a special wedding gift from us, we have arranged for you and your new spouse to stay in one of our junior penthouses while you wait. Congratulations on your new marriage. We are so pleased you have chosen our resort for your honeymoon.
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EVENS
EVENS: NEW CHARACTERS
Music plays. Instrumental, the tune gentle enough not to disturb peaceful rest. The sudden insistent beep of the Watch is a cutting cacophony across an otherwise sweet lullaby. Upon opening their eyes, new arrivals will quickly discover that something is wrong. The quilt snug across their body is weighty. Crystals glint in a weave of embroidery and cotton shimmers with threads of silver. Dozens of decorative pillows surround the bed. The gauzy curtains of the canopied bed are drawn, obscuring the rest of the room.
Extravagant for a kidnapping. Too extravagent. What’s more, these new guests will find something even stranger than this new diamond-studded suite tucked into bed beside them. Someone else. Who are they, what are they wearing? What happened last night?!
Guests are encouraged to explore the resort from here! There are paper maps available for those who would like and staff are happy to recommend locations if they have any preferences. Enjoy your honeymoon, you lovebirds!
ODDS
ODDS: SPECIAL RE-ARRIVAL
Never trust a hallway in the Golden peacock.
Cross the wrong threshold and time begins to slow. A short hallway becomes long, sheds its doors, only leading to turns without end. Guests too eager to explore the resort have gotten lost before. For how long always varies, dependent upon capriciousness of the resort. Hours? Yes. Years? Yes. Every guest caught in the winding hallways has reported the same thing: time is different there and too difficult to discern.
Some wayward guests have been caught in the endless hallways since the FIRST TDM. Weeks pass before a single doorway appears in the distance. It creaks upon opening before everything goes topsy-turvy. These guests have been let out of a trap door in the depths of Crane's Respite.
All water corridors will eventually lead back to the populated areas of Crane's Respite. The waters are warm, the scent of bath salts returns, and staff are wild with joy at finally finding all of you. They have been beside themselves searching ever since you vanished!
NOTES
PROMPT NOTES
▶ Because we love all of the new characters premiering on this TDM, we kindly request that our Evens prompt be top level exclusive for new characters. Current characters are encouraged to tag in to these prompts with the caveat that they’ve been picked up from their assigned suite (or wherever else they were before) and dumped into the new arrival’s bed. We would like for new characters to have this prompt unique to their top level comments!
▶ Players are welcome to have their current character riff off of these prompts in the log community with the exclusion of the new arrival element. This request is just for TDM top levels.
▶ Current characters and new characters are both welcome to freely mess around with the Odds prompt with the exclusion of the arrival element. For new characters, players may participate with the idea that their character is exploring Crane’s Respite after their unique arrival in the Evens prompt. The Odds arrival element may also be utilized by current player characters who may have been on an unofficial hiatus in January and did not tag as much as they would have liked, to explain any long IC absence.
▶ Octopi may be killed. If a character decides to eat one of the octopi they may find themselves taking on some of its traits. Which traits are up to player discretion.
ELEVATORS
ELEVATORS
The house has recently ordered a full changeout of art in all high traffic areas. The elevators in particular have received special attention with many different famous artworks and portraits studded to the walls for guests to admire. These artworks are treasures of the modern world that one would typically see behind glass at a museum. Guests may even find works from their own world hanging in the elevators. Even famous works that maybe have been lost to time. So this is where they ended up. Is that Vermeer's The Concert?
Guests may find their elevator suddenly stopping without warning. The portraits on the wall stir, curiously studying them, but there are three main portraits calling the shots. The portrait that controls that particular elevator will make their demands known with the threat that, if they are not obeyed, you will be trapped forever.
Elevators will function after the portrait's demands are met. Guests that hold out and refuse may find themselves trapped upwards of twelve hours. Guests with the ability to do so may crawl out of the top emergency door, free to go wherever they want from there.
GREAT TIT!
GREAT TIT!
Great Tit! is the Golden Peacock’s popular dessert bar and cafe. With its bright pops of color and whimsical treats, guests simply can’t resist stopping in for a butt shaped cookie and hazelnut coffee. After catching wind that the resort has decided to celebrate a dessert shop's most lucrative holiday, Great Tit! is ready to impress the masses. Advertisements for limited edition drinks and desserts rain the main lobby; one can’t go three steps without slipping on a neon pink coupon for 10 percent off nipple buns. Guests that decide to pass by the cafe will find themselves assaulted with confetti cannons and eager employees ushering them inside.
Guests will find a temporary communal shower room upon exiting Great Tit! where they can wash off after a fun day of rolling around in sugar. All guests will be gifted a tee branded with a, CHOCOLATE IS MY LOVER logo.
NOTES
PROMPT NOTES
▶ This portraits prompt has been triggered by several characters expressing interest in and investigating the lore of the resort paintings. This is just dipping a beginning toe in, but congrats to all for poking around!
▶ Portraits in the elevator should not be destroyed, purely for continuity’s sake. If a character would go far enough to attack one of the portraits, the portrait will slap them back with ghostly power.
▶ Characters may also figure other ways out of the elevator if they have specific abilities to do so. While the portraits can control the elevators, they cannot control your character(s). Any destruction to the elevator itself is liable to result in a rush of security dragging the culprit(s) away to the Iron Net.
▶ Great Tit! is running a massive sale! Even characters who are on the broke end of the spectrum will be able to afford to join in on the fun and indulge in sugar at these prices.
▶ Players are encouraged to make up any other elements for the Hall of Chocolate. If it’s a dessert and edible, it’s there. Enjoy your sugar coma!
▶ While the chocolate boxes are ICly limited due to Alessandro’s skills as a chocolatier, this is only an IC mechanic. There is no OOC limitation on this prompt as far as chocolate rarity goes.
THE NEST
ALICE AND THE PARROTS
Fashion boutiques are a dime a dozen in the Nest. The shopping hub is massive, lined with stores all trying to aggressively appeal to guests. A challenge in itself — but the guests of the Golden Peacock are no ordinary people. Used to being pampered and fed excitement, if these boutiques don’t bust their bottoms to appeal to the fickle nature of their patrons, they won’t be in business for much longer! One particular boutique, Alice and the Parrots, is riding winds of romantic thrill and churning out a couple of brand new fashion lines sure to draw in loads of chips.
Guests are welcome to try on clothes in Alice and the Parrots' dressing rooms. These dressing rooms are small and can only accommodate two people sharing at a time. Such is the life of a small boutique store. Sharing is no big deal, right? And there’s no way you can buy clothing this expensive without giving it a test first.
NOTES
PROMPT NOTES
▶ Players are encouraged to make up whatever cute outfits they would like for this prompt.
▶ Wedding clothes do not have to be cute and frilly; this section accommodates tastes of everyone.
▶ Alice and the Parrots is more expensive than Love Dove. Their clothing quality is excellent but their price tags are high. Staff may watch low ranks extra diligently to cut off any stealing. Thieves will be chased by NPC security! Anyone caught gets a day in the Iron Net.
CASINO CHAPEL
CASINO FLOOR
A Pop up Chapel has appeared in the Phoenix Casino. Guests are delighting in playing out weddings and pretending to get married — and a few guests are even tying the knot for real. They aren't worried about the sanctity of marriage; they can divorce tomorrow if they get bored of each other. And everyone knows that getting married doesn't mean you can't fuck whoever you want!
Since the resort isn't keeping track of how many marriages a guest has, all guests are encouraged to marry as many people as they would like. The more the merrier!
Wild wedding events will continue all throughout the month of February, until the guests find it's gotten stale. A divorce rush will round out the fun at the end of the month.
NOTES
PROMPT NOTES
▶ Weddings are not legally binding. Birdvis is not registered as a real officiant, but he does have an excellent beak and pompadour.
▶ Prizes from easy mode slot machines are automatic and do not require mod thumbs up to claim.
▶ Chip prize from difficult mode slot machines is automatic. The special prize is 5 reward points to add to your bank on rewards. Players who wish to claim the special prize should link the finished thread (the kink in question has been completed) under their rewards header with the header, Wedding Slot Machine. If you do any combination of 6/6 (finger hand lol) we ask you somehow make this sexy or involve a climax in order to claim the points.
BLANKET CW: Aphrodisiac; Compulsion; Costumes; Dubcon; Entrapment; Foodplay; Gambling; Lingerie; Matrimony; Tentacles; NSFW Images and Language; NTR; Nudity; Roleplay; Sacrilegious Themes
▶ All new characters on the TDM are WILDCARDS, which means they have not yet been assigned a card value. The house is still observing and deciding. As rank and suits are assigned upon acceptance your new character's suit will not manifest until they are accepted into the game.
▶ All TDMs are game canon. This TDM acts as the game's February event.
▶ Current characters may top level on the TDM. Please make sure to review the arrival prompt notes! Any current characters posting to the TDM should note they are current in their subject header.
▶ The top level directory is for new characters only. We want to make sure new characters are priority and receive attention!
▶ If you aren't satisfied with the prompts on this TDM please feel free to check out our LOCATIONS to explore more of the resort.
▶ Smut threads that take place on this TDM can be used for rewards. If both parties in the smut thread join the game, you may retroactively apply the character's initial card values to your 52 bank. If one character does not join the game the thread will not be applicable toward rewards (as that character would not have a card value). The character that does join would still receive a small payout for the encounter. Hopefully it was a fun thread anyway!
▶ We ask you to kindly add content warnings to your threads as appropriate.
▶ If you do not currently have permissions and kinks listed in your character’s journal we suggest leaving a note in your top level of any limits or boundaries for other players to reference.
▶ Thank you for spending Valentine's Day with us! You're our sweetheart this year. 💕
[ The worst? What's the worst? Xue Yang genuinely doesn't know the answer to that. He knows that most people don't approve of the things he does, but his own moral compass is more or less completely broken.
Maybe he could start from the thing that was the worst thing done to him? That would be his destroyed pinky, and taking revenge for that might be considered the "worst". On the other hand, since what he did was for revenge, then that was justified. So maybe it would be something he did for no reason? But that left him with a large number of options and nothing to use to choose between them.
Xue Yang considers for a while, long enough for the pause to be noticeable, before he suddenly thinks of something: the thing that he got in the most trouble for would probably be the "worst", right? So that would probably be what got him "killed". ]
I destroyed a guy's eyes and wiped out everyone from the temple he grew up at. I guess that might be the worst.
[ He doesn't sound too bothered as he says it.
Judgmental John gives a dramatic gasp and rambles a bit about murder being terrible before turning on the other elevator occupant. "And you, now it's your turn! You must confess as well!" ]
[ The man in the painting is practically a parody of himself, and despite Ming Yi's distaste for its theatrics, the coldness in his eyes is directed only at the other occupant of the elevator.
Ming Yi doesn't know the context or the reasons for his crime, but he doubts it was unprovoked. Whether it was a reasonable provocation is another matter.
And not one Ming Yi will get into now.
Looking from the portrait and back to Xue Yang, Ming Yi answers languidly: ]
I slaughtered over five hundred creatures for their power alone.
[ It's the closest he can get to a crime that's both real and doesn't conflict with his godsona the character he's built for the Earth Master.
It's all the same to John, who is just as aghast as before. "Such senseless slaughter! Two murderers dare to stand before me. If not for my own confines, I would punish you myself..." He looks between the two of them, giving them both a thorough once-over, before clearing his throat. "But since I cannot, you must decide between yourselves who is the true villain and who will bring the ultimate sinner to his knees— In atonement." ]
[ Xue Yang is no longer listening to the portrait.
Xue Yang is focused in on his companion, his gaze full of sharp excitement.
He recognizes immediately that it's an ambiguous way of saying it, and could in actuality mean any number of things, but the sound of it reminds him of his own demonic cultivation. It's a high number, high enough that he genuinely isn't sure if he's killed as many as that himself. There are few people who he's aware of who have at least as much death on their hands as he does.
His interest is instantly piqued, not even because of the count, but for the sort of methods implied to be involved. ]
Really? What kind of creatures? How did you get their power out of it? Can it be done again?
[ He doesn't even necessarily want the power. Xue Yang wants to know the process.
The portrait gives another deliberate clearing of his throat, and then again, but Xue Yang's attention doesn't waver whatsoever. ]
[ Ming Yi fixes him with a cold, flat look. He can sense the sort of energy clinging to his companion, and while not particularly uncommon here, it's concentrated in a way that Ming Yi knows isn't simply surface level contact.
He feels as though he knows exactly what that look in Xue Yang's eyes mean, and he can only reflect that some demonic cultivators truly do become consumed by their own work.
At the same time, a cultivator like this could be useful. ]
Ghosts, demons, and other manners of beings of the sort. However, I'm afraid even one such as yourself is unsuited for the technique.
If you truly want to know the process, we can discuss it outside.
[ Please consider Judgmental John who is anxiously twisting waiting for his show to begin.
And Ming Yi who doesn't want to be stared down by both a horny portrait and a demonic cultivator. ]
[ Oh Xue Yang is curious now. He studies the man for a few seconds longer before turning his intense look towards Judgmental John. As if not expecting to suddenly be paid attention to after having been so thoroughly ignored the man in the portrait gives a startle, and after a moment of fumbling, speaks again.
"W-well! It would not do for me to simply let you leave without there being any punishment exacted for your... intense crimes. I must ensure that justice is served--long, hard, and penetrating deep into your--" ]
Yeah, sure, got it. Hey. [ Xue Yang turns back to his companion. ] You wanna get beat up for this guy?
[ The fact that Xue Yang is even asking means the option is there for the man to say "no". This guy seems like he possibly has equal or more skill than Xue Yang does, so he gets to be the one to pick even if Xue Yang is making a suggestion first. ]
[ Truthfully, he wouldn't care about being beaten—it would be an uneven match if it were the other way around—but his companion can't be oblivious to the innuendo in the portrait's requests.
And, more importantly, by agreeing to be punished, it would be as good as admitting that he believes he deserves punishment and that this demonic cultivator holds the moral high ground.
It's not something Ming Yi can easily agree to. ]
If you believe your crime is worse, then I'll punish you appropriately. If not, tell me the motives for yours, and we'll decide.
[ Xue Yang is far from oblivious, but his interest in punishing someone "like that" is rather low. After all, his experience with sexual punishment is when he and Jin Guangyao tied up Jin Guangshan and had him fucked to death, and that doesn't sound particularly fun when it's just himself here to do it. His own punishments have historically been beatings (with or without some stabs to sell a good narrative of execution), and he expects that to be more amusing to do in this sort of situation. ]
I dunno. What does "worse" mean? Lots of people were pretty pissed off at me for what I did, so that's what I picked.
The guy lashed out at me, then gave me this look like I'd shit in his food, so I ruined his eyes and crushed his heart. He earned it but people still got mad.
[ That really answers...nothing. Ming Yi isn't even exactly sure what happened, and the casualness of it all makes him wonder if the other man isn't just joking around and the severity - or lack thereof - is just being obscured by ambiguous language.
Ming Yi sighs, then carefully explains: ]
"Worse" is "morally worse," not how many people were angry with you. It's how just your retribution was in relation to the crime. So, how many of those in the temple deserved destruction?
[ He already said the person who he blinded deserved it in his opinion, so Ming Yi doesn't bother questioning it.
Though, while Ming Yi is infinitely patient, it's debatable how long Judgmental John is willing to wait for them. This talk isn't very sexy, and he's already getting twitchy again. ]
[ (Unfortunately?) Judgmental John asked for a moral judgment from an amoral person so he gets to suffer with the consequences of his own actions for once.
Xue Yang turns the words over in his head as he tries to figure out how he hasn't answered the question, and how he's supposed to figure out "morally worse" if he can't differentiate by how terrible he himself found his actions (which is pretty much "completely reasonable" across the board, and therefore not a good metric) or how much it pissed off others (also apparently not a good metric). ]
I already said I wanted to crush his heart, so I killed all of them. They deserved it.
[ The way Xue Yang is explaining himself is probably enough of an answer to which of them should be punished, if not necessarily which of them confessed to the worse crime. ]
[ In Ming Yi's eyes, Xue Yang has already confessed to a worse crime where the weight of his actions is greater than the initial wrong he endured.
The look he gives Xue Yang is icy. He would have no problem punishing him, even if sexual punishment isn't something he hadn't even contemplated in the past.
But, the question is turned back on him, and Ming Yi will answer first. ]
Ghosts and other creatures that cause havoc in the mortal realm are a threat to the living. Regardless of my reasons, it's still no different from a farmer hunting rabbits.
[ Xue Yang meets the look without wavering or flinching. It's far from the only frigid look he's received in his life, and as with all those times before, his own self-assurance means he doesn't feel any need to back down in the face of it. ]
So doesn't that mean it's not even a "crime" or whatever this guy's demanding? [ He jabs a thumb in Judgmental John's direction. ] Unless people got pissed at you for getting stronger from it.
[ Because in Xue Yang's mind, that's what makes something a crime: when other people get mad over it. ]
[ He has a fair point, and Ming Yi can only tilt his head indifferently. ]
Ghosts and monsters are still sentient beings with their own bonds and attachments to the world. Some would consider slaughtering them without reason to be immoral.
[ Ming Yi, himself, doesn't see it as wrong—but only because it was a necessary step for his own goals. ]
You said it's worse if they didn't deserve it as much, right? But they did, so that means it's not bad.
[ Xue Yang has absolutely the wrong scale for answering this question, so even though he's giving what is quite close to the least helpful answers ever, it's not for lack of trying. ]
If you're killing ghosts and ghosts deserve to be culled, then it sounds like you're saying we're equal.
[ The frustrated groan that Judgmental John makes is almost excessively loud, and the man looks nearly on the verge of tears. He starts almost whimpering under his breath, muttering pleas along the lines of "what sinners, to attempt this avoidance of consequences" and "just pick one amongst yourselves already". ]
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Maybe he could start from the thing that was the worst thing done to him? That would be his destroyed pinky, and taking revenge for that might be considered the "worst". On the other hand, since what he did was for revenge, then that was justified. So maybe it would be something he did for no reason? But that left him with a large number of options and nothing to use to choose between them.
Xue Yang considers for a while, long enough for the pause to be noticeable, before he suddenly thinks of something: the thing that he got in the most trouble for would probably be the "worst", right? So that would probably be what got him "killed". ]
I destroyed a guy's eyes and wiped out everyone from the temple he grew up at. I guess that might be the worst.
[ He doesn't sound too bothered as he says it.
Judgmental John gives a dramatic gasp and rambles a bit about murder being terrible before turning on the other elevator occupant. "And you, now it's your turn! You must confess as well!" ]
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Ming Yi doesn't know the context or the reasons for his crime, but he doubts it was unprovoked. Whether it was a reasonable provocation is another matter.
And not one Ming Yi will get into now.
Looking from the portrait and back to Xue Yang, Ming Yi answers languidly: ]
I slaughtered over five hundred creatures for their power alone.
[ It's the closest he can get to a crime that's both real and doesn't conflict with
his godsonathe character he's built for the Earth Master.It's all the same to John, who is just as aghast as before. "Such senseless slaughter! Two murderers dare to stand before me. If not for my own confines, I would punish you myself..." He looks between the two of them, giving them both a thorough once-over, before clearing his throat. "But since I cannot, you must decide between yourselves who is the true villain and who will bring the ultimate sinner to his knees— In atonement." ]
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Xue Yang is focused in on his companion, his gaze full of sharp excitement.
He recognizes immediately that it's an ambiguous way of saying it, and could in actuality mean any number of things, but the sound of it reminds him of his own demonic cultivation. It's a high number, high enough that he genuinely isn't sure if he's killed as many as that himself. There are few people who he's aware of who have at least as much death on their hands as he does.
His interest is instantly piqued, not even because of the count, but for the sort of methods implied to be involved. ]
Really? What kind of creatures? How did you get their power out of it? Can it be done again?
[ He doesn't even necessarily want the power. Xue Yang wants to know the process.
The portrait gives another deliberate clearing of his throat, and then again, but Xue Yang's attention doesn't waver whatsoever. ]
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He feels as though he knows exactly what that look in Xue Yang's eyes mean, and he can only reflect that some demonic cultivators truly do become consumed by their own work.
At the same time, a cultivator like this could be useful. ]
Ghosts, demons, and other manners of beings of the sort. However, I'm afraid even one such as yourself is unsuited for the technique.
If you truly want to know the process, we can discuss it outside.
[ Please consider Judgmental John who is anxiously twisting waiting for his show to begin.
And Ming Yi who doesn't want to be stared down by both a horny portrait and a demonic cultivator. ]
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"W-well! It would not do for me to simply let you leave without there being any punishment exacted for your... intense crimes. I must ensure that justice is served--long, hard, and penetrating deep into your--" ]
Yeah, sure, got it. Hey. [ Xue Yang turns back to his companion. ] You wanna get beat up for this guy?
[ The fact that Xue Yang is even asking means the option is there for the man to say "no". This guy seems like he possibly has equal or more skill than Xue Yang does, so he gets to be the one to pick even if Xue Yang is making a suggestion first. ]
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[ Truthfully, he wouldn't care about being beaten—it would be an uneven match if it were the other way around—but his companion can't be oblivious to the innuendo in the portrait's requests.
And, more importantly, by agreeing to be punished, it would be as good as admitting that he believes he deserves punishment and that this demonic cultivator holds the moral high ground.
It's not something Ming Yi can easily agree to. ]
If you believe your crime is worse, then I'll punish you appropriately. If not, tell me the motives for yours, and we'll decide.
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I dunno. What does "worse" mean? Lots of people were pretty pissed off at me for what I did, so that's what I picked.
The guy lashed out at me, then gave me this look like I'd shit in his food, so I ruined his eyes and crushed his heart. He earned it but people still got mad.
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Ming Yi sighs, then carefully explains: ]
"Worse" is "morally worse," not how many people were angry with you. It's how just your retribution was in relation to the crime. So, how many of those in the temple deserved destruction?
[ He already said the person who he blinded deserved it in his opinion, so Ming Yi doesn't bother questioning it.
Though, while Ming Yi is infinitely patient, it's debatable how long Judgmental John is willing to wait for them. This talk isn't very sexy, and he's already getting twitchy again. ]
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Xue Yang turns the words over in his head as he tries to figure out how he hasn't answered the question, and how he's supposed to figure out "morally worse" if he can't differentiate by how terrible he himself found his actions (which is pretty much "completely reasonable" across the board, and therefore not a good metric) or how much it pissed off others (also apparently not a good metric). ]
I already said I wanted to crush his heart, so I killed all of them. They deserved it.
[ The way Xue Yang is explaining himself is probably enough of an answer to which of them should be punished, if not necessarily which of them confessed to the worse crime. ]
Why, how "just" or whatever was yours?
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The look he gives Xue Yang is icy. He would have no problem punishing him, even if sexual punishment isn't something he hadn't even contemplated in the past.
But, the question is turned back on him, and Ming Yi will answer first. ]
Ghosts and other creatures that cause havoc in the mortal realm are a threat to the living. Regardless of my reasons, it's still no different from a farmer hunting rabbits.
[ Clearing pests. ]
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So doesn't that mean it's not even a "crime" or whatever this guy's demanding? [ He jabs a thumb in Judgmental John's direction. ] Unless people got pissed at you for getting stronger from it.
[ Because in Xue Yang's mind, that's what makes something a crime: when other people get mad over it. ]
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Ghosts and monsters are still sentient beings with their own bonds and attachments to the world. Some would consider slaughtering them without reason to be immoral.
[ Ming Yi, himself, doesn't see it as wrong—but only because it was a necessary step for his own goals. ]
Or do you admit that your crime is worse?
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[ Xue Yang has absolutely the wrong scale for answering this question, so even though he's giving what is quite close to the least helpful answers ever, it's not for lack of trying. ]
If you're killing ghosts and ghosts deserve to be culled, then it sounds like you're saying we're equal.
[ The frustrated groan that Judgmental John makes is almost excessively loud, and the man looks nearly on the verge of tears. He starts almost whimpering under his breath, muttering pleas along the lines of "what sinners, to attempt this avoidance of consequences" and "just pick one amongst yourselves already". ]