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【 Thank you for choosing the Golden Peacock, 5-star resort and casino. You are currently registered as a WILDCARD in our system.

We are thrilled to announce that the Golden Peacock will be embracing autumn with a special outing. Current and new guests are invited to join us for a refreshing outdoor experience where participants can unplug, unwind, and connect with nature. During this time, all Watches will be disabled to the most basic functions (texting, calls, checking chip account) in order to encourage guests to disconnect.

Please look forward to two weeks of finding yourself amongst the trees. We hope you enjoy your stay, and have a fan-CAMP-stic time. 】

CAMPING

GETTING OFF THE GRID

As the resort moves into what it claims is autumn, the days grow shorter. The projected sun in the Vale sets in the afternoon, after which a faint chill falls. Then there’s the most excessive transformation of all – a portion of the Vale has transformed into a campground complete with a scenic lake, seemingly overnight. Statues nearby have been dressed up with flannel jackets and suspenders. Folksy banjo fills the air without any discernible source.

A section of the campgrounds have been reserved for tents. These tents vary in size, shape, and supplies. All tents, regardless of quality, are supplied with sex toys and lube. Staff and long-standing guests all agree — pretending to live in the wilderness and 'rough it' for a while is thrilling. This is what the peasants feel like all the time!

NOT ALL TENTS ARE EQUAL

► High-rank guests are allocated spacious and luxurious tents. These elaborate mini-homes come with TVs, beds, heaters, and plenty of supplies. Provided camping gear is high quality, ranging from state of the art flashlights to designer backpacks. It can't quite be considered roughing it in these tents, but glamping is camping too!

► Mid-rank guests are allocated moderate tents that comfortably fit up to three guests. These tents come with cots or sleeping bags, as well as standard camping gear to make their time living off the land fairly comfortable. While these tents lack the bells and whistles of the high-rank accommodations, they are more than enough for a comfortable but realistic camping experience.

► Low-rank guests are allocated the shabbiest tents. These sagging accommodations can shield one guest comfortably, but that doesn't stop staff from pairing low-ranking guests together in order to save space. Their 'sleeping bags' are a single blanket and hay bale pillow. There are no other included amenities aside from sex toys and a single lantern.

► Last but certainly not least: our Wildcards! All Wildcards have been randomly assigned. Whether they end up in a glamping tent or sleeping beneath a propped up sheet is left to chance. Wildcards also may find themselves waking up beside a current guest or another new arrival.

► Guests that "go camping" will discover that the door connecting the Vale to the rest of the resort has mysteriously vanished. Uh oh! Looks like there's no going back to the comfortable life anytime soon. Don't worry, the door will return when it's time to pack up and head home.

LET'S GET CRAFTY

► New characters still wake up naked save for a robe, as is standard for the Golden Peacock. This round’s robes are flannel gingham to embrace camping and autumn aesthetic. Some of these robes are much shorter than others; watch out that the lake breeze doesn’t reveal more than you wanted.

► Unlike the standard, there are no racks of clothes waiting for new arrivals outside of their tents. You're roughing it out in the woods, remember? Instead of clothing, Wildcards will find an assortment of raw materials to make clothes.

Fabric rolls, hemp, buckets of leaves, leather, and other assorted goods are waiting to be cobbled into something new. The staff have been kind enough to leave some small hunting knives and wooden needles to make crafting a bit easier. Of course, they won't stop anyone that wants to embrace the wild side and strut around naked.

HOME ON THE RANGE

Welcome to the Peacock Campgrounds! Nicknamed the Stomping Grounds by long-standing guests. Rustic and right off a sparkling lake, guests will find everything they need to live in the wilderness. Staff have expertly set up fire pits, benches, hammocks, and a wooden shed to act as a tool depository. There's even an outhouse, which is a real novelty to many of the long-standing guests. Do they just... squat over that hole and do their business? How wild!

Unlike previous resort-sponsored excursions, guests are expected to manage without the help of staff. That pile of wood won't be replenished once used; guests will have to go chop down trees and split their own. Food won't magically appear in their tents regardless of rank. Camping is all about living off the land. Though staff make themselves scarce to make the experience feel real, they lurk in the shadows, discreetly providing necessary tools and fixing broken equipment so guests won't struggle too much. It isn't fun if it's real hardship, after all!

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO COOK?

► On the first camp morning, guests will find barrels of ingredients and cooking utensils left beside the central fire pit. These barrels are stocked with fruits and vegetables that won't spoil quickly, many of which are seasonal to autumn. They have also been left a few protein options like eggs, jerky, and canned ham. These ingredients are communal and limited. Once they run out, guests will have to hunt and gather in the Vale to collect more.

► Guests must prepare their own meals while camping. Not even the high-ranks are given any special treatment on this! While oil and firestarter are included in the initial supply, these too are limited and won't be replenished after use.

► Staff would never let their precious guests go without a sweet treat. A generous supply of hot cocoa and all the fixings for s'mores has been left behind as well. While none of the other food will be replenished, the hot cocoa and s'mores goodies seemingly never run out. A night around a campfire without roasting marshmallows or sipping cocoa would be too cruel to subject guests to.

SUPPLIES RUNNING LOW

► Guests will have to hunt and gather once ingredients dwindle if they want to eat. The wooden shed is home to a selection of tools that can be used to hunt: bows and arrows, hatchets, axes, fishing poles and line, etc. All tools are rudimentary and can break if not taken care of.

► The Vale is lush with wild fruits and vegetables. However, much like in reality, not all vegetation in the Vale is safe to eat. While some berries and mushrooms are consumable, others are toxic or psychedelics. One must also not forget that they're in the Golden Peacock: some unusual plants that grow in the vale may trigger arousal. Watch out that you don't eat something funky by accident!

► Before 'leaving', staff will explain that guests can fish or hunt small game running throughout the Vale. One particularly enthusiastic staff member will suggest guests track down the snoggleboffs, as they're extremely delicious after roasting on an open fire.

ACTIVITIES

TWO WEEKS OF ROUGHING IT

Camping can't be all about survival. Where's the fun in that? Before 'leaving', the staff arrange activities and events for guests to enjoy. A wooden bulletin board outlines times for group hikes, camping experiences, and wilderness delights. Adirondack chairs line the edge of the lake and a few tire swings hang over the water, tied to strong tree branches. For the first week and a half the weather is pleasant and sunny. Perfect for camping.

At night, acoustic guitars and other wooden instruments come out so that guests can make music around the bonfire. Projected stars dapple the night sky, forming various constellations sourced from guest worlds. The moon enters a different phase each night, shining a gentle silver across the campgrounds. Why not pull your sweetheart in and cuddle beneath the night sky? It's so romantic.

IN CAMP

► Guests that don't want a cold shower should make their way over to the shower stalls quickly. These outdoor showers hold very little hot water and run cold after about five minutes. First-come first-serve!

► A wood-chopping competition begins around lunchtime. There are two goals: to split as much wood as possible and looking sexy while doing it. Guests that chop wood unsexily immediately fail! Alternatively, sexiness with a pathetic number of chunks is more acceptable, but still a loss. Those that achieve both goals will instantly win a large payout. Failing to sexily cut wood won’t have any penalties associated with it, and you can always try again tomorrow!

► Bear hunting is a popular activity that even the spoiled long-standing guests are getting in on! No, not hunting real bears. That would be insane. Peacock's version of bear hunting involves hunting down bear-like guests and capturing them! Any guest that fits the criteria of big, thick, and strong may potentially be assigned the role of bear. Hunters who manage to tie up, handcuff, net, or otherwise 'capture' a 'bear' will instantly receive a large payout.

THE LAKE

► This sparkling lake is rich with fish. Enjoy sitting back on the long pier with a fishing rod or take one of the wooden boats out for a row around the lake. It's also safe to swim in, for guests that would like to take a dip and rinse off the sweat of camp living! Don't mind the random swim trunks or drink umbrellas that pop up now and then. This water is definitely fresh and not recycled from the summer beach extravaganza.

► Guests that do decide to take a dip may encounter a familiar friend. Fernando the tentacle monster is camping too! This randy tentacle monster is as horny as ever, eager to embrace guests and stick slippery tentacles into any reachable orifice.

► Once the sun goes down, many of the long-standing guests strip off their shoddily crafted clothes and sprint into the water for skinny dipping by moonlight! What's a camping excursion without a lake-side orgy? The best way to drown out those erotic moans from the lake is to head to the central fire pit and join in on some campfire songs.

OUTSIDE CAMP

► Those that head out of camp for a hike or hunt can enjoy any of the Vale's usual wonders. With autumn, shiny apples dangle from the trees and pumpkins pepper beneath their protruding roots. Along with autumnal fruits and vegetables, canned beef and ham have been mysteriously left in pockets close to the campgrounds. A little act of kindness from the staff; not everyone is cut out to hunt their own game!

► For those interested in hunting down some fresh game, walking around the forest in the morning may come with a stroke of luck. Strange little creatures the size of an adult's fist are active during this time. These hairy beasts come in brown and white, and screech, "Scrun scrun screeee!" when agitated.

Yes, these are the alleged snoggleboffs! Don't feel bad about hunting them, they're an invasive species that are unfriendly and eager to steal from unsuspecting guests. Their main strength is their speed, but once caught, they don't put up much of a fight.

► Guests that explore deep into the Vale may find a dark cave mouth that leads downward into a damp chamber. The ceiling glitters with stalactites and, along the wall, they'll find a horizontal crease with what seems to be... hair? If touched, this crease will creak open, revealing a large eye that darts back and forth before focusing on whoever woke it. Black pupils and iris bleed into one endless abyss.

Those that gaze directly into the eye will freeze. Their mind will remain active while their body locks in place, not unlike sleep paralysis. This trance will break once the eye blinks, which it will do after some time... but it can also be forced into blinking by force if there's someone who hasn't made eye-contact around to help. Frozen guests will be overwhelmed with the fear of abandonment for the duration of their paralysis. This fear will fade after the connection is broken, as if it wasn't their fear at all.

Like a regular eye, dirt or debris can force a blink. If this route is taken, the eye will go bloodshot and shut, refusing to open again. Any guest that inflicts damage to the eye may find that their suite, upon return, has been trashed. As if someone or something threw a big tantrum in there while they were gone. Wonder why that happened...?

HOWLING

CALL OF THE WILD

Temperatures drop drastically at night as the camping excursion nears its end. Nights become so chilly that morning dew frosts over, crunching beneath guest feet. Every day the light and its warmth set a little bit earlier. Staff remain elusive and do not provide warmer blankets or clothes for guests, leaving them to cuddle for warmth or find other ways to sleep comfortably during nightly cold snaps.

The moon hits its apex on the final night of camping. Unlike the other nights, this full moon shines blood red. The Vale stills under this ominous sign, silent. Snowflakes begins to fall, spreading an endless clean sheet across the campgrounds. That reflected pink hue is inescapable.

THE WEATHER TURNS

► Along with chilly nights, the last few days of camping feature inclement weather conditions. Clouds overtake the sun and rain falls, alternating between light mist and heavy downpour.

► Winds pick up, with speeds threatening to whip away the less stable tents. Guests that don't hunker down and add additional support to their tents may end up chasing them into the storm. Other loose items around the campgrounds may end up blown away as well.

BLOOD MOON

► Wild instinct rises with the blood moon. As crimson moonlight beckons, some guests may begin to feel ... strange. As if they need to claw their true selves free. Those that answer the call to bathe in the light of the blood moon will undergo a transformation.

► Basking in the light of the blood moon triggers a were-transformation. While the standard were that the blood moon inspires is the classic werewolf, guests may transform into any kind of were. Along with hybrid transformation, the blood moon stirs mating and sex impulses in these new weres. Remaining humans are at risk of being eaten... in the sexy way.

► Transformation into a were is not mandatory. Other guests may step into the blood moon's light and not experience any kind of transformation or impulse. These guests are now actors in a sexy horror scene, given the task of surviving the night surrounded by monsters! At least they're sexy monsters? Giving in and fucking on the wild side may be more fun.

PACKING UP

► After the crazy weather and horny werewolves, the staff judge that it's high time to wrap this excursion up. Guests will once again openly see these diligent workers the morning after the blood moon. They come flooding into the site with clothing, snacks, and other comforts while praising everyone for surviving for so long without the resort's usual luxuries.

► A first aid tent and cleaning station are swiftly erected. All guests that volunteer to treat injuries sustained over the course of the camping experience or help clean up the site will be compensated with a large payout.

► Every guest that participated in the camping event, regardless of whether they help wrap things up, will be issued a spa voucher. Go relax, you've earned some pampering after all of that hard living!

OOC NOTES

INVITES | RESERVES | APPLICATIONS

▶ BLANKET CW: altered states; eyes (descriptions only, incl. eye injury); exhibitionism; hunting (incl. hunting fantasy creatures); orgies; public sex; survival; temperature play; tentacles; transformation; violence

▶ All characters on the TDM are WILDCARDS, which means they have not yet been assigned a card value. Suits will not manifest until characters are accepted into the game.

▶ All TDMs are game canon. This TDM acts as the game's September event. Camping will ICly begin September 15th and end October 3rd.

▶ Current characters may top level on the TDM. Any current characters posting to the TDM should note they are current in their subject header.

▶ The top level directory is for new characters only. We want to make sure new characters are prioritized and receive attention! If you would be interested in a game invitation, you can note that in your comment header.

▶ Smut threads that take place on this TDM can be used for rewards. If both parties in the smut thread join the game, you may retroactively apply the character's initial card values to your 52 bank. If one character does not join the game the thread will not be applicable toward rewards (as that character would not have a card value). The character that does join would still receive a small payout for the encounter. Hopefully it was a fun thread regardless!

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Comments

[stripsearch]

[...er.]

I mean...

[She hadn't intended it that way, but now that it's out in the open?]

1/2 LMFAO

[izanagis]

[... ... ...]

[You know. It really says something about their time here that his main reaction is a light wash of color in his face.]

2/2

[izanagis]

[That's all besides the point, anyway!! Yu uses her grip on his hand to pull her closer, enough that he can put his free arm around her.]

I'm really glad to see you, Rise.

[In the flesh, at least. The statue had been so eerily lifeless -- he hated seeing her like that. As absurd as this place can be, this is infinitely better than the alternative.]

[stripsearch]

[She's only too happy to let herself get pulled in. She presses her cheek to his chest.

It's a little weird, being this openly affectionate with him after remembering everything from home, where they hadn't been.

Wait, that's right--] Some really weird stuff happened in Inaba while I was back, senpai.

Er, was I "back"? How does that even work...?

[izanagis]

I'm not sure how it works, [he admits, a thoughtful look crossing his face.] From here, you looked like a statue. But if you remember things happening from home...maybe it's more complicated than that.

[Which is a weirdly nice thought, actually. It's unsettling, the idea that any of them might be fully trapped, here. But-- that's beside the point.]

What kind of weird stuff?

[stripsearch]

[Thinking about it hurts too much. She wishes Naoto were here to make sense of it all.] ...you know Kirijo-san, right?

Um, I met her in Inaba. Along with some of her teammates. They were investigating Shadow stuff. [Okay. This is the weird bit.]

So... imagine that one day, the Midnight Channel turns back on, and Teddie's on it, and he announces that he's holding a giant fighting tournament to find the strongest Persona user in the world. [Sigh.] That sort of Shadow stuff.

[izanagis]

[Hmm. This sounds like it might be a complicated conversation -- rather than wait to have it, Yu starts leading her to his tent as she talks. He's not as surprised as she might think; Yosuke has explained...a little bit about this. So, it seems like both of them are on the same page.]

... I guess it would make sense that SEES would investigate. They weren't too far from Inaba, and if the Midnight Channel started doing something like that... I can see why they'd want to be involved.

[He wonders if Minato or Kotone was there, too, but he doesn't ask just yet.]

[stripsearch]

[She follows; wherever it is that he wants to take her, it's bound to be better than here.] Oh, totally! Like, they're waaaaay more advanced then us when it comes to all that Shadow and Persona stuff. Did you know they have a robot?! Like a walking talking robot girl! She has a persona!

She's even pretty cute!

[Ahem.] But yeah, it was Kirijo-san, and there were a couple of others there, but I don't think you know them yet.

[Anyway, the most important thing--] And she was wearing this crazy tight catsuit and it looked so freaking hot on her?! It's not fair!

[izanagis]

[Yu makes a quietly thoughtful sound as they navigate the camping area.]

Yosuke said something similar. He mentioned... [what were the names, again??] "Aigis," "Labrys," and "Minazuki." My guess is that he was referencing the same thing you're talking about.

[Much as he tries not to let that get to him, it does, a bit. Luckily, Rise's priorities serve as a distraction!! Good thing his Expression is so high, but admittedly, now he's. thinking about it. uh--]

... I don't think Mitsuru is from that time, either. [Saved. Right?? Right???] At least, she hasn't mentioned it at all.

[stripsearch]

No, she's definitely not. She never mentioned knowing either of us, right? And I don't think she's that good an actress to keep it up for that long.

[A sigh. A slightly overdramatic sigh.] Senpai, you're gonna have to trust me on this. Her boobs looked amazing and I don't really think I could have pulled it off.

[That's besides the point, though.] Aigis was the robot girl with them, and there was also this really beefy guy Sanada-san, and Yamagishi-san, who had a support Persona like mine. Labrys is... [A pause. She's not really sure on how that all came to be.] ...kinda with them, I think? But she showed up separately.

[Oh, right. Minazuki.] And that Minazuki guy was totally separate from all of them. And he... [Shit. She's gonna have to give him the bad news, isn't she? She trails off.]

1/2

[izanagis]

[Yu nods in response to the first question; they had talked about timing before, the fact that Mitsuru had just graduated, that one of her kouhai had been the Student Council President when Yu visited Gekkoukan. So-- he assumes Rise is right, about that.

It's weirdly endearing, Rise's wistful tone about the outfit choice. It almost --but does not-- keeps him from blurting out,] Her boobs always look amazing. Doesn't mean you couldn't pull it off, too.

2/2

[izanagis]

[Oh. He said that out loud.

... ... ...

Oh. He said that out loud.

Yu's expression doesn't change in the wake of All Of That, but his face reddens. Making an attempt to breeze right by his failure to keep the quiet part quiet, he continues:] ... Yosuke didn't think highly of him. Minazuki. I'm assuming he wasn't exactly an ally.

[stripsearch]

[She wants so badly to respond to that in so many ways. She really, really does. To talk about Mitsuru's boobs, or to be a little jealous that Yu thinks that about Mitsuru's boobs, even if they're opinions she holds herself.

But this is actually kind of Serious and so... she doesn't. She lets it go by her.] Senpai, he broke Adachi out of prison.

Er, kinda. I think he threw him into the TV?

[izanagis]

[Meanwhile, Yu is thanking every deity that may or may not exist for the fact that they have a solid subject to focus on, otherwise he'd start digging himself a shallow grave to die in.

It's just unfortunate it had to be this particular subject.]

Adachi?

[Maybe he shouldn't be surprised at Adachi's involvement, though. In a way, they've always been linked. That doesn't make the worry twisting in his chest go away, though. So Adachi was involved, and the Midnight Channel, or something like it. Robots and SEES and something strange happening to Teddie... at this point, the details aren't as important, honestly. He can't do anything about it from here. But his main concern:]

... Is everyone okay?

[stripsearch]

Yeah. [She says, a gentle smile accompanying it. Of course he'd be worried about everyone else like that. That's why he's the leader.] We're all fine. Some bruises and, uh... embarrassing nicknames broadcast on television, but that's the worst of it.

Adachi kind of wound up being weirdly helpful this time?

[She sighs.] Honestly, I think "getting kidnapped and thrown into the Midnight Channel a second time" did more damage to my ego to anything else. How the heck does that happen twice?

[izanagis]

Embarrassing nicknames, [he repeats with a short huff of a laugh.] Sounds like it wasn't too bad. We've been through worse.

[We is an interesting word to use, when Yu never had a Shadow to confront. When he didn't have to go through any of what Rise is describing now. He tries not to dwell on it; the fact that she and Yosuke have both talked him through it means they want him to know. Means they think it's important for him to be aware of it. Right?...

He makes a small, thoughtful sound at Adachi's involvement. There's something satisfying about knowing he was right, in some way. That Adachi deserved to have another chance. It's a controversial opinion, he knows -- so he keeps it to himself.]

We all thought the Midnight Channel was done, [is what he says instead, finally coming upon a tent that is insanely large, complete with multiple beds and a gas fireplace. It's very silly. He hopes to head off remarks by continuing this Clearly Very Important conversation.] Anyone would have been caught by surprise. You can't blame yourself for that.

[stripsearch]

[She gives him a flat capital-L Look.] Yeah, "Sister Complex Kingpin of Steel," I'm sure they were all just fine. [She says, dryly. And then they get to the tent.

What the hell. Her eyes kind of bulge out of her head.] Y-you're kidding me! Senpai, they were gonna make me sleep on the ground under some gross tarp and you get to sleep here?! What the hell!

[Nope, sorry, the important conversation can wait just a moment for her to gripe]

[izanagis]

[She doesn't need to add the nickname for that Look to have a certain amount of gravity, but the two together do leave him quiet for. a moment. Sister Complex Kingpin of Steel?! He. That. ...it's a lot to process.

It also leaves him with a burning curiosity to know the rest. Luckily, he doesn't have a chance to ask.]

I wouldn't let you sleep on the ground. [...IS TRUE, BUT NOT THE POINT RIGHT NOW. He scrubs a hand over the back of his neck, shrugging lightly.] There's a good chance that this is some kind of mix-up, but no one's told me to move yet. So please make yourself at home.

[stripsearch]

[Huff.] I think it's just this dumb rank game! Ugh, I did not miss that part! What rank are you, anyway?

[She's not entirely sure how long it's been, so...

...and she caught the curiosity in his expression, even if it wasn't said out loud. Again, Rise huffs, pulling her hair back over her shoulders. It's fine. She gets to sleep here now.]

"The Scandalous Superstar Idol," by the way. Since you're wondering.

[izanagis]

[Yu makes a thoughtful sound; he feels the same about the rank system, honestly. It feels arbitrary and unfair, almost insultingly so. But also-- it doesn't really explain this weird turn of events, does it?]

Five. I have been since I got here.

[Narrator: he was actually no longer a five. Extremely funny for this to happen during the camping trip when the Watches aren't working at capacity. Anyway, her forthright answer earns a sympathetic wince.] Okay, the nicknames are...a lot. It sounds like things turned out okay, though.

[stripsearch]

What?! You're just a five and you got this? What, did they bump me down to 2 or something?! [Okay Rise Kujikawa is on the verge of a full on brat fit, probably should do something about that]

And yeah! They sucked! Everyone's was just embarrassing and they were all on the TV! [A pause] W-wouldn't be the first time that happened, for some of us. [She's remembering what happened with her Shadow]

B-but the point is, I met Mitsuru-san! She came to Inaba with her team!

[izanagis]

[A small smile flickers in his expression.] I'm sure you didn't get bumped. This is probably just a mix-up...once this camping thing is over, everything'll go back to normal.

[He sounds so sure of that. Wild. Anyway-- that little stutter doesn't go unnoticed.] I'm glad everything turned out okay. Sounds like a tough situation.

[It's hard to think about -- not least of all because of how badly he wishes he could have been there to help. ...well. He was, from the sound of it, but not. not him. It's complicated in a way that hurts his head and his chest; a feeling he's all too happy to push to the side, for now, in favor of gathering more information.]

Yosuke said something similar. No one that I've talked to from SEES mentioned it at all, though. You two might be the only ones who know about it.

[stripsearch]

[Okay, deep breaths. As usual, Yu is a grounding influence, and he staves off a Rise Kujikawa Tantrum.] I mean, I guess it wasn't any worse than what we've already done together, right?

[She looks for a place to sit. That armchair looks nice. How did it get all the way out here into a tent. She sits, perched on the edge of it.] Thinking about it, uh, she definitely looked... older? Not by much, but a little bit.

[She frowns. She tries to think how Naoto would approach this.] ...time is weird here, right? There are people here from our future. [That Akira guy said stuff about an album that she'd never released, at least not yet.] So are we just from theirs?

[izanagis]

[A slight smile tugs at the corner of his expression, accompanying a nod.] Right.

[He manages to hold off from going in on a "together we can do anything we put our minds to" spiel -- if she really just got here from something happening at home, she's probably had one recently. Still...that's how he feels. Now; always.

As for the question at hand, luckily, he does happen to have some more information.] I think that's it. Remember when we went to Tatsumi Port Island? [.................ah. loaded question, with the events from the nightclub. he moves on quickly:] The girl we met as Student Council President was Mitsuru's junior. So they're from at least a year in our future...maybe two.